45-110 paper patch loads

Okay, so what distinguishes a paper patch chamber from a nonpaper patch chamber. I have yet to find any paper patch slug that will shoot straight black powder over 56 shots without loss of accuracy. I never got it to shoot grease grooved bullets exceptionally well, but it works very well with paper patched bullets. I normally shoot bp but have used reduced loads in the 4570 with a small piece of a cotton gauze against the powder. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45110 by tom ball. The brass is properly headstamped when available primed reloadable brass cases. Starline cases are produced very to withstand high pressure loads associated with smokeless hunting loads and since the. Well as for the big 45 there is the 45 110 or 120 with a 540 grain paper patch bullet. I prefer to seat my ppbs right on the lands or even to a slight crush fit, but feel free to experiment. C sharps arms 1874 bridgeport 45110 normal powder of preference swiss 1. There is no major disadvantage to the shouldered or swc style of bullet for short to medium range 100300 yards. Frank mayer, a well known buffalo hunter, tried various rifles but preferred his sharps.

Paper patched or lubricated lead bullets can be swaged in two basic styles, the swc shoulder style shown here, and the smooth ogive style shown below. Jun 01, 2017 starline brass fire formed in a grease groove rolling block chamber cleaned, size checked, primed. Feb 17, 2016 c sharps arms 1874 bridgeport 45 110 normal powder of preference swiss 1. And in the case of the paper patched bullets for the single shots, the bullets are seated into the lands about. I used pedersoli in the quigley and went smokeless but next year ill use the shiloh. Starline brass fire formed in a grease groove rolling block chamber cleaned, size checked, primed. Ive shot it from 100 to 800 meters and am very happy with how it shoots. Ive read that some guys even paper patch jacketed bullets in over bore cartridges to keep down on copper fouling. Click to enlarge the tom selleck picture and you can see the white paperpatched bullets. If you load the 45120 to the same pressure level it will get you 450ne ballistics. Jamison brass back in business, making brass and loaded ammo.

I have a pedersoli replica 1874 sharps in 45120 x 3 14 and although it shoots pretty well with pyrodex bp cartridge select, as anyone with a big bore replica can probably testify the cost of shooting can prohibit trips to the range as often as id like. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45110. I sharpsguy trained and you saw what those loads did to the buffalo. This data is not for use in antique guns originally built for black powder.

Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet styles. Walt is a first time black powder cartridge rifle shooter and hits a 10 inch bullseye at 410 yards shooting a c. Nov 22, 2015 walt is a first time black powder cartridge rifle shooter and hits a 10 inch bullseye at 410 yards shooting a c. Like the cloth or paper patches used in muzzleloading firearms, the paper patch fell off soon after the bullet left the bore.

A charge of 120 grains by weight of swiss 2f powder is slowly poured thru 24. I still have several boxes of paper patch black powder loads that he loaded for me. I shot enough chickens this weekend with such reduced loads. I had some 4570s rechambered to 4590 and 45110 for the big 500 grs and 600 grs bullets.

Excellent condition, fully decked out, double set triggers, octagon barrel, creedmore rear sight has. I will have to check sellers or venturinos book when i get home. Making fullvelocity, soft cast lead, paper patched bullets. If you have a question that isnt answered in our bullet information, resources, or faq pages, send an email or give a call. Ive worked up some loads with 40 grns of imr 4198 using a 405 grn flat nose meister bullet, but have not fired them yet. I believe it was colonel mayer who wrote that sharps rifles with deep lands were not suitable for paper patch loads, and certainly the sharps company bored all. I emailed buffalo arms asking for a recommendation for a bullet mold for paper patching my nef buffalo classic.

Such roughness is death to accuracy with patched bullets as the edges of the pits tear the patches. When loading with black powder, annealing of mouth may be necessary to allow case to properly seal chamber due to lower pressures generated by some loads. Not eligible for return due to safety considerations and legalregulatory reasons, ammunition, guns, gun powder, primers and treestands may not be returned. Both shilohs get black powder with greasers and paper patch. Does your friend have a copy of the lyman cast bullet handbook.

You could also get this case loaded with 95, 100, and 105 grains of black powder. Jamison brass back in business, making brass and loaded. Sources indicate the sharps rifle company offered a variety of bullets in this caliber, including a 293 grain express, a 400 grain grooved bullet and paper patched bullets in 400, 420, 500 and 550. However, in a rifle that a hunter can carry all day without fatigue, which to me is a maximum of ten lbs.

Sources indicate the sharps rifle company offered a variety of bullets in this caliber, including a 293 grain express, a 400 grain grooved bullet and paper patched bullets in. This 45 110 sharps aka 45 2 78 sharps ammo is currently manufactured smokeless rifle ammunition for 45 110 sharps aka 45 2 78 sharps chambered rifles. Buffalo arms used to carry all the needed supplies, a friend of mine was a diehard black powder shooter, didnt own a modern firearm. Sharps 45 110 paper patch chamber buffalo rifle using blackpowder. In smokeless, the 45 70 in any really strong action ie. The art of paper patching, how to make your paper patched boolits 3006 series duration. With paper patch bullets and lots of compression you may be able to get 100 grs in the case.

Ive been shooting paper patch bullets for a long time and find that milk cartons make good wad material and spg lube wad of about. Jim if you are interested, i will post my paper patched load for my c. But buffalo arms specializes in virtually everything the black powder shooter needs. We are a custom shop specializing in creating premium, hand cast bullets for all handloaders including recreational and competitive shooters. It was also known as the 45 70 sharps, but it was dimensionally identical to the military round. Cornmeal and other dense fillers can cause a ring in the chamber but the cotton stays put and doesnt have enough mass to cause a problem. The heavier bullets were the best for hunting buffalo, and the larger cases favored the heavier bullets. It was 1952, and mayer, born in 1850 was the last surviving buffalo runner as he called it. This isnt about shooting dirty, at least not that noticed in the op. Ive missed the range for 3 weeks so i havent been able to test loads but i should be able to. Either the lyman 457125 government bullet 500 gr rn andor the lyman 4572 postell 535 gr should do well in the 45 110.

Mar, 2018 load data for 45120500 paper patch load in the 45 278 inch case. I shoot both 450ne double and an old shaps in 45110 just so a 450ne wont chamber. Feb 18, 2018 i am picking up a pendersoli dixon sharps 1874 with a 6x scope on it next weekend. I still have some work to do, but ive been refining my paper patch load for this rifle a bit. Paper patch supplies, paper patch templates, paper patch paper, lead bullets, paper patch bullets. When wrapped in two layers of thin cotton paper, this produced a final size of. It was also known as the 4570 sharps, but it was dimensionally identical to the military round. Paperpatching the shiloh 45110 page 2 shiloh rifle.

The paper patch goes the opposite direction of the rifling. I believe that i have a rifle that is very similar to yours. But the best solution to a lighter load is another rifle or at least another barrel. Excellent condition, fully decked out, double set triggers, octagon barrel, creedmore rear sight has spirit level front sight with a. When i got my shiloh sharps in 45 110, he was dying to load for it. Drop the charge, push in the gauze with a pencil and seat the bullet. If you order a shiloh quigley, you can only get it in. Most shooters, given quality ppbs and proper loading techniques.

I loaded a duplicate load to one of selousafrican loads of a 360 grain hp paper patched bullet over 100 grains of 2f kik and it went 1598 fps over my oehler chronograph. Feb, 2006 if you order a shiloh quigley, you can only get it in. I got gifted a pedersoli 45110 quigley a few years ago, with 60 rounds of buffalo arms ammo. Many people prefer it to the smooth ogive type of bullet because the shoulder helps hold the paper patch from sliding back, if you overlap the edge slightly and use your thumbnail to crimp the edge of the paper over the shoulder. Much discussion and cussin have been laid at their doorstep. The patches are lightly lubed with tallow and bees wax and a 110 cookie of lube is seated under the slug.

The paper kept the soft bullet from leading and formed a seal. All of the cartridges in this series could be used with bullets weighing 320 grains to 550 grains. The reason ive never bothered to develop paperpatch loads for my. My personal prefernece is to keep the weight to 10 pounds and under, and i rather like the 45 70, just because. But if he were firing this load it would have kicked his butt out of the camera shot. Advice needed 020912 i have done most of my bpcr shooting with a 45 70 but also shoot a 45 90.

Oct 31, 2010 and yes most of the time a properly constructed paper patch load will out shoot a grooved bullet, with the added benefits of less elevation on the sight and windage used that the grooved. Starline cases are produced very to withstand high pressure loads associated with smokeless hunting loads and since the only way to make brass harder is to work the material the. My 21year old son eric and i drew cow elk tags as our second choice in our favorite hunt unit in the bighorn basin of wyoming. So far the best accuracy has come with a 500 grain paper patch bullet wrapped with 2 turns of buffalo arms patching paper. Paper patch bullets were used in the 1800s for target shooting and hunting and are still being used today. The only problem is that if you shot the higher pressure load in an old sharps or rolling block that was designed for bp pressures you are asking for trouble. I am picking up a pendersoli dixon sharps 1874 with a 6x scope on it next weekend. I was wondering if anyone out there has used trail boss powder for the 45110. Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. I went the cheap route because i wanted to try a sharps big rifle without laying out two or three. I am actually gettng very close with the tapered soft lead slugs and paper patch. Okay, so what distinguishes a paper patch chamber from a non paper patch chamber. The 45110 stands for 45 caliber and 110 grains of black powder. I was all of thirteen and he was 102 and still active enough to have killed a fourpoint buck the year before.

Frankly, it doesnt really matter much, esp with bore diameter paper patch bullets but even with groovers the variance is trivial. This is a discussion on paper patching 4570 within the lever action forums, part of the gun forum category. John taffin it was during my first year as a teenager that i first heard of frank mayer. It has been my experience, however, that most of the cussin has been from folks with little or no personal experience with ppbs. A 45 110 was a max of 110 grains of black powder and a 540 grain patched bullet. This 45110 sharps aka 45 2 78 sharps ammo is currently manufactured smokeless rifle ammunition for 45110 sharps aka 45 2 78 sharps chambered rifles. A 45110 will make that energy requirement with no problem. I had tried the load used by some of the texas buffalo hunters, 45110 550 paper patch pp, and i killed several species of big game with this load and it was deadly. Ive found that its quite easy to get this cartridge shooting with bore diameter patched bullets if your friend wants to try. Sharps 45110 paper patch buffalo rifle bullseye at 410. Paperpatching the shiloh 45110 page 2 shiloh rifle forums. My heart wants to reload black powder paper patch rounds but my brain say grease groove.

I still have several boxes of paper patch black powder loads that he. That acts to twist the paper patch tighter rather than try to strip it from the bullet. Discussion in rifle country started by bigjim, oct 23. My 45110 also goes 1410 fps with a 500 grain paper patched bullet and 106 grains of kik 2f.

I just ordered a perdesoli 1874 sharps snipe rifle. Keep it easy to start with get a large enough press to handle the length of the 2 78 case and load greased bullets until you get the hang of handling the. The wood and metal fit is good,it is smooth and the heavy octagonal barrel is ipressive. I have been pretty lucky to have known a couple of old time sharps collectors and have been able to shoot several of the old guns. Sharps rifles i have use custom chambers and they shoot very well using patched to bore bullets and seth cole 8 lb paper which is quite thin. Have a pedersoli long range sharps in 4570, shiloh sharps in 45110 and one in 4570. Going with the 45110, i think there will be plenty of power available from the bp loads to handle anything i need.